Most people can agree that accessible technology is a good thing — even an essential thing.
Accessibility allows people with a variety of disabilities to use the web, apps or other digital tools required to do one’s job, attend school and perform life tasks.
But what’s actually needed to make full inclusion happen, and what can organizations do to make it happen?
These are a few of the questions at the heart of “Digital Accessibility Ethics: Disability Inclusion in all Things Tech,” a new book written and edited by experts in the field, respresenting many disabilities and many parts of the world.
Lainey Feingold is a disability rights attorney and one of the book’s editors. Jutta Treviranus is the director of the Inclusive Design Research Centre and professor at OCAD University in Toronto, formerly the Adaptive Technology Resource Centre and the author of a chapter on AI ethics.
They spoke to Texas Standard about the book. Listen to the interview in the player above or read the transcript below.
This transcript has been edited lightly for clarity:
Texas Standard: Lainey, I want to start with you, a big broad question. What is digital accessibility?
Lainey Feingold: That’s a great question. And you kind of hit it on your intro because digital accessibility is the quality of technology that allows disabled people to fully use it in all ways, in all capacities. So employees using tech for work, students applying to college, doing their work in college, finding out what the lunch menu is — absolutely everything.
Tech should work for everyone. And that’s the premise of our book.
Well, your book advances what you call a “digital accessibility framework.” What is the framework and why is it needed?
Feingold: Yeah, we’re introducing here, for the first time, a digital accessibility ethics framework. And the framework is basically an actionable three-part tool.
One part is values, because ethics are always based on values. So values like honesty, transparency, privacy, inclusion, things that make the difference between disabled people being included or not.
This is not an academic book. We want this framework to be in the world. So the other two parts of the three-part tool are actions to bring those values to the workplace, in the school, the radio station, everywhere, and questions.
We call it the power of the pause. What if we stopped while we’re buying our next tool or writing our next document and said,” hmm, who are we excluding? Who are we including?” So actions, questions and values — that is the framework and it’s needed because too much of today’s technology still doesn’t work for disabled people.
So people who aren’t disabled may think about providing accessibility as sort of the right thing to do, as kindness or a charitable act, or they see it as avoiding risks from the government or from lawsuits. Are those framings too simple or do they fit into the framework you’ve created?
Feingold: Couple answers to that: Yes, too simple. Some fit in the framework, like legal compliance is an ethics value. And so, avoiding legal risk is part of the ethics. But when you skip accessibility, the risk is far greater than legal risk.
We talk in the book about health and safety risks. Someone from the Bahamas wrote about what happens when emergency information is not presented in a way that deaf people can get it because there’s no captions. Or blind people can’t get it because it hasn’t been designed right. So there’s health and safety risks.
There’s risks to democracy. We have a chapter about voting. Everything is online today. So what if a candidate’s website is not accessible? What if the ballot isn’t accessible?
So risks are part of it, but accessibility is not charity, and it’s not kindness, and we can’t depend on it. Accessibility is a civil and human right around the world, so this framework and the values are grounded in the human rights in the full inclusion.
Right, so it’s the right thing to do, but it’s because it’s a right that you are extending to everyone.
Feingold: All the values, like privacy. Like if a system, say cybersecurity, we have a really good chapter on that. And you have security systems to log onto your computer. If a blind person or a person who can’t hold the mouse can’t get in, then they have to ask someone and the security’s broken.
So it’s all those things that make up the ethics framework.
Jutta, I wanted to bring you into this conversation. You wrote an entire chapter about the ethics of accessibility and AI. And in it, you say that AI amplifies existing patterns. Why is that bad for accessibility and inclusion?
Jutta Treviranus: Thanks for asking that question. I want to add to Lainey’s response, because one of the things that we’ve learned, certainly during the pandemic and during many crises, is that if you create a world that works for the individuals that are struggling, that are currently facing barriers, the world, the systems that we create — whether it’s employment systems, emergency systems — will work for us when we find ourselves struggling.
And we are definitely in an environment and in a time when there’s crisis after crisis. And so the ethics are not just to benefit people who are currently facing barriers or people with disabilities, they benefit everyone. They would benefit us when we age, when there is an emergency, when there is a disaster, when there’s a pandemic.
I think that’s a really interesting point of view. I can think even of something like image description, right? Sometimes it happens that the thing isn’t loading on my website and the image isn’t there. And if somebody had taken the time to do image description, I would at least have that to rely on.
So even as somebody without a disability, you could benefit from this just thoughtful framework and including that from the beginning.
Treviranus: Yeah, and accessibility is choice. So giving people the choice, recognizing that people are in different situations, different circumstances, and they have different needs, and therefore there are choices.
It isn’t just a single entry into all of the things that we need access to.
So looping back to AI and this amplifying existing patterns, I think you’re starting to answer that question already. But why is it bad that it’s just continuing sort of habits that we’ve relied on?
Jutta Treviranus: It’s bad for a number of reasons.
So as you said, AI copies what it knows about you or knows about all of us from existing data and it replicates that. So it’s taking what it knows to do from what we’ve done and it makes it more efficient and scales it.
If you think about people with disabilities at the moment, or anyone that is currently struggling, the existing system is not very good. But AI amplifies and automates the discrimination that already exists there.
So if I’m an applicant for a job and I put in an application, if AI is used to determine who is going to get the interview, it will look back to see who have been successful employees in the past and what is the average ideal employee. And if I’m not average, if I not like those individuals, then I’m not going to get employed.
Similarly, academic admissions. It will try to find a pattern from the past, a successful pattern from past. So AI is not only pasting our past onto our future, but if you look at what data does AI have about us, it’s very biased data, and it’s missing many individuals. So those individuals will become invisible in the AI systems as well.
Disability, for lots of reasons, is not represented well within the data. The information about disability, or that is on the web, is a bit of a cesspool of discrimination, stigmatization, myths about disability, disability as somewhat pitiable, etc. So AI will amplify that in the content that’s produced, but especially in the decisions, when it’s making decisions about people that are not average.
You’ve raised a ton of questions in my head. I guess the first one I want to ask is are there prompts that we can ask AI to make as corrective, or is this something we need to go back and teach differently. Because like you said, what’s available is so bad for it to learn from.
Treviranus: Yeah, so many people think it’s a data problem. Why don’t we just add data about people with disabilities and their needs into the systems? And there are emerging AI technologies where some of that can be done.
But unfortunately, unless we address the fact that it is a statistical replicator or that it’s feeding on statistics and that quantitative statistics drives AI, even if we have full proportional representation of people with disabilities, it will still roll with the average.
So one of the things that I’ve been doing throughout my career is gathering data about people. So this is over 40 years. I’m asking people, what do you need to participate in society? What do you need to thrive? And the answers are so diverse.
And in order to plot them, because it’s a data set, it looks like a starburst. And I call it the human starburst. And what you’ll note about the human starburst is that 80% of the needs are clustered in the middle. They’re the average needs. They’re very close together. They’re similar.
And then as you move from that center, there are needs that move further and further apart. And then at the edges, it’s very jagged. And the needs are very different from each other.










